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Date Posted: Tuesday April 22, 2003 11:59:59 AM
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When can you have freedom, equality, moral reciprocity and a paycheck? Brook Manville on the surprising blueprint for organizational management.

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risak
Date Posted: Tuesday April 22, 2003 04:57:24 PM
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This "model" of Athen's democracy is very interesting. But I have some comments:

- This first (greek) democracy was ended/overcome later by the roman empire (sometimes an effective democracy too). Later Athens was more or less a dependant colony of Rome ... Many highly educated doctors, philosophers, artists, theatchers, ... came often as slaves to Rome. The roman empire was much more efficient in commercial, organizational and military aspects; the area of Greece was more the cultural area.
As model for a company I would therefore prefer roman organizations.

- Athen's democracy was only open to free men, not for slaves ...

- The decisions (often by oistrakismos) were sometimes manipulated ...

I wrote an (german) article on a related topic:
"Das Internet eine globale Agora" (http://www.cosy.sbg.ac.at/~risak/dat_prog/doku/agora.html). There you can find some thoughts on democracy and decentralized communication structures.

I think there are some similarities of these two articles and structures and problems today ...


V. Risak

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Dr. Veith Risak
University of Salzburg Austria
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john.a.wills
Date Posted: Wednesday April 23, 2003 05:04:52 PM
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In ancient Athenian democracy women couldn't vote, resident aliens couldn't vote - and one was counted as an alien despite generations of living in the country - and slaves couldn't vote. In "The Laws" Plato imagines resident aliens as performing important social functions, but still not voting. In a knowledge-based firm one can imagine the outside contractors and the janitors and clerics having no say.
Athens remained a "democracy" even within the Roman Empire, remaining largely self-governing. A "democratic" firm too lives within the context of a larger society, which usually has far more influence over the firm's activity than the Roman Empire had over Athens' activity.

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