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From Thinkers to Clickers: The World Wide Web and the Transformation of the Essence of Being Human
By M.O. Thirunar
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Date Posted: Tuesday May 13, 2003 12:34:29 PM
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Tick-tock, time clicking away

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risak
Date Posted: Tuesday May 13, 2003 04:14:40 PM
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In the beginning the reading a n d authoring use of hypertext was seen as a creative/assiciative activity.
Following links was similar to having/evoking associations. So "clicking" had something to do with notions like:
"This reminds me on ...", "I have seen something similar ...", "This has something to do with ..." ...
In many cases this starting of association-chains could be followed by writing down and linking of new associated ideas.
And so a web of thoughts started.

Today the Web is (used) mostly "read-only". Therefore the unity of reader/author was lost.

Now the "freedom" of users of the WWW is confined to go their own way through a given net. Nearly nobody adds comments to contents, publishes theses for free discussion, ...
Perhaps some people now fear, that the cooperative reading/writing of hypertexs is forbidden as "derivative work" by copyright law.

To fight the "unconscious clicking" it will be necessary to go back to the roots of hypertexts.

A first step is Annotea/Amaya (from www.w3c.org). This package makes it possible to annotate texts in the www, without having write-access to them. (You can start with local/personal annotations or share them with others on a server.)

A next step would be to give read/write-access to certain texts for addings links and or content. (Everybody adding such information should "sign" them with his initials.)
I use this method for tutoring diploma and doctoral theses. It works very good and motivates the students.

Perhaps a discussion concerning regaining this freedom should start.

Kind regards

V. Risak
University of Salzburg, Austria
Computer Scinece.


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Dr. Veith Risak
University of Salzburg Austria
Computer Science

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CHSUAPUKAO
Date Posted: Tuesday May 13, 2003 09:36:43 PM
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As any data reduction and information management problem, the www. requires that we know what we want when we are clicking away. It is a powerful tool and the "annotation" possiblities are mostly open, but not always welcome by PC orthodoxy!
Steve Torok

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kylepero
Date Posted: Wednesday May 14, 2003 02:12:30 PM
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This was an interesting article. Though, I'm not sure I agree with the point of view that clicking is not an act of thinking.

The great thing about hyperlinks is the fact that you give the user a choice as to where they can go. To make a choice requires thinking. I think it's great that we work in a medium where the user has control of their destination... not like in a book.

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kinetisonic
Date Posted: Thursday May 15, 2003 12:21:08 AM
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This all seems a bit silly. This person is stuck on some notion that "thinking" is a long process that one must take lots of time to do if one is to do it right. That is as silly as if they had written that clicking is a fast process that all this clicking is really whipping up into a thinking frenzy.

They write that:
"... when the answer is not just a click away, people have to spend inordinate amounts of time clicking one link after the other as they navigate through cyberspace, hoping to find an answer to their question. As they click on one hyperlink after another, they often forget the initial question to which they were trying to find an answer. "

but they just said:
"When people do not get answers to their questions by reading one book, they have to read a second or third book to find the answers"

Huh? Like reading two books that didn't get me an answer to my question isn't an inordinate waste of time - or that I wouldn't be just as likely to forget my question after all that reading?

And as for time to think, don't they walk anywhere, or shower, or eat?

Then there's:
"Often times, as people aimlessly click their way through cyberspace, hyperclick hysteria sets in..."

what next? should they have their index fingers removed to quiet their ill humors? Maybe bleeding? Dunk them in water to prove they are not witches?

This person has the silly idea of people locked into a spiral of "hit the monkey". The people who spend all day doing that wouldn't be thinking if they only had books! They'd be out buying snake oil and listening to ol' Thom the carriage driver, with his tales of the sinful happenings in the next town. The writer of this story has just spent far too much time on the web, doing mindless activities and procrastinating, and they have decided the web is somehow at fault for their behavior.

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kylepero
Date Posted: Thursday May 15, 2003 10:26:56 AM
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I agree with you Kinetisonic.

How ironic is it that a basic usability standard is to make sure a user doesn't have to think a lot in order to complete their task. The book, "Don't Make Me Think", states that it's OK to have the user click a lot as long as they are mindles clicks that don't require time, struggle, stress, etc. to get to the desired location.

I agree with this. Users are thinking when they are clicking... and if the design is good and intuitive they don't have to spend a lot of time comtemplating the results of the choice they are making.


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FranceAliasRenack
Date Posted: Thursday May 15, 2003 11:33:31 AM
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I do not think the analogy between a book and the web is quite right. I THINK the web is closer to a newspaper, a magazine or a reference book.

I believe people use it to look for specific information, learn what is going in on in the world or to pass time, the way they would with a magazine (No matter what the subject is: Science, Girly Stuff or Porn).

Those who enjoy reading and thinking about the world around them can still do so with by reading in depth articles or by sharing information and ideas on Forums and those who do not can get their favorite recipes or look for information about whatever is happening to their favorite movie star.

And what about using the web to find a book that is not available in your small town library?


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France Baril

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luigibertuzzi
Date Posted: Friday May 16, 2003 02:41:40 AM
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if one thinks about an end (or an answer) which can only be achieved (or found) by means of *connectedness* (should a meaning of this word be suggested?) ... how shoud one go about it ... without clicking ... and hoping it's not going to be ... yet another waste of time ?

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bertuzzi @ pharos-it.net
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TAPhilo
Date Posted: Saturday May 17, 2003 12:06:43 AM
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I think the comparison is somewhat true that he is trying to make of a small minority of people reading on the web.

A better comparison would be writing vs. word processor typing: you can type a whole lot faster when compared to writing longhand and therefore are more likely to put down incomplete thoughts when typing and fill in the gaps in typing correct language later.

The time required to write, and the difficulty in correcting a long letter (especially when using ink!) after it has been completely written forces people to slow done and compose before writing. Having a word processor I think is akin to his idea that people are mainly surfing without thinking.

I have no statistics but I doubt if most people "surf" like most pundits say they do. Most people have a goal when using the web to find information. To sit down an aimlessly wander and see what comes up is seldom a goal of a person.

Actually I think the web forces people to think even more (if they can recognize the failings of the web). An answer may be only a click away but is it the RIGHT answer? Five more clicks and you may have 5 more different answers.

How many people recognize this? That is when they really have to think the problem / answers through.

The web also forces people to think in multi-dimensional means. The information is akin to a library when you have multiple stories with multiple rooms in multiple buildings in multiple campuses and you have to navigate and keep yourself oriented spatially in order to find your way around and remember where all the material is at in each place that you have read. It is actually harder to do it correctly than most people realize. That is when people who get "lost" on the web go "home" to re-orient themselves: but then we do that in real life too. We give directions based on familiar landmarks and then direct others how to navigate from that landmark. However, most people are not trained nor have a natural ability to think in multi-dimensions.

Those who routinely wander on the web would likely be the same people who wander in real life too. It allows them to wander using a mouse button instead of their legs.


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Tom Philo
tom @ taphilo.com
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killerking
Date Posted: Thursday May 22, 2003 01:29:12 AM
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Just found an interesting quote from Chartier - Hébrard (Don't know if the title is available in english)

"... confusion of data access speed with understanding speed. 'To read is to understand', said French National Education Office in 1985. Ten years later, the new slogan would rather be 'To click is to know'."

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Date Posted: Thursday May 22, 2003 01:55:00 PM
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Sir

The irony is obvious. If not for the ability to follow an interesting hyperlink, I would never have heard of M.O. Thirunarayanan or read his depressing and limiting comments. I certainly do not see myself as a member of the "click-happy" masses of the advanced cyber age ... entrapped in a vicious cyber cycle of meaningless "clickery". I'd much rather regard myself as a "thinker who clicks", capable of exploring, discovering, interpreting and applying information readily gleaned from the greatest source of information yet devised, the WWW.

Dave Meikle

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tjr
Date Posted: Saturday May 24, 2003 08:25:35 PM
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I tend to find the web useful for gather specific information, and perhaps a high-level overview of broader topics, but in general, it doesn't seem as useful as I would like for general learning. There are exceptions, of course, but it has certainaly not replaced books.

Books do still provide substantial amounts of often reasonably good information. On web sites, (1) the information, even if good, often doesn't go very in-depth, and (2) the information might not even be all that good! I think that printed books still tend to be a more reliable source of accurate information, when accuracy is the key.

It also probably differs from topic to topic. Based on my own searches: if I wanted to learn about cognitive psychology, I would do better reading books that searching the web, it seems. (Except for using Amazon.com to read about which books I might want to purchase.) If I wanted to learn about the programmers who designed the old Infocom text adventure games, I would do better reading web sites, because there simply isn't much in the way of books on the topic.

Another issue with web use is attention span. For me personally, it tends to be harder to read at length on a computer screen that to read at length on paper, unless what I am reading is unusually interesting. But this is probably something that different people have different opinions about, and is not a universal fact.

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